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250073-01 00:00:00 - 00:09:20 COL SD 2004 01/08/2004 Iraq Tal Afar;
Middle East; [Iraq War - 2004: Operation Sykes Hammer Broll, Dawn
Patrol. 01Aug04]
Title: 1Aug04 Covering Bravo Co.,
5th Battalion, 20th Infantry. Regiment (Sykes Regulars) - 3/2 SBCT. Infantry patrol Tal Afar alongside Iraqi National Guard for suspected
insurgents from Syria.
00:00:20 Headlights on vehicles
moving thru dark; silhouetted soldiers on foot. Troops in column patrolling. LS Helicopter across moon. GOOD.
00:02:12 Thru metal door into auto
garage (?) courtyard. Soldiers
wear cameras; Iraqi Guard wear face masks. men searching bags of ??. Search large ornate wooden cupboards in house.
00:03:45 Silhouetted soldier
against morning light down metal steps from roof. Leave; patrol along building walls. Tank in street. Patrolling narrow street, people watch
from behind on roof.
00:05:08 Kneeling soldier adjusts
glasses outside metal doorway. MS
soldier in tank hatch. MCU troops
waiting. Troops outside metal
gate, push open & enter. Soldier to translator: Tell lady to come get her baby off the floor. Soldiers searching house w/ light; take
identification papers.
00:06:48 Ext. looking at
identification papers, women holding children in bg. Translator explains.
00:07:09 Soldiers enter ornate
gate. Others in wide street
plaza. Inside courtyard of house. MCU soldier checking cell phone. Others watching street while house
searched; pickup searched; stone pile searched. Photograph album leafed thru. Bag of ?? searched.
250073-02 00:09:20 - 00:16:19 COL SD 2004
(?) Iraq Baghdad; Middle East; [Iraq War - 2004 (?): Rifle Qualification / Reflexive
Fire. 6-8 Trains ING (Iraqi
National Guard)]
Title card. Sgt Abassi Brian &
Lt Lateef Nahe ING soldiers. Spc
Kiareem Myers, Gunner for 6-8 CAV.
00:09:29 Men seated on
gravel. Men standing, firing from
kneeling position & prone as US instructors & translators give orders. MCU targets. Soldiers reloading; CU firing.
00:10:44 Iraqi soldier or ?? speaking,
English translator heard. Blackened sections by censor (?).
00:11:49 US soldier speaking about
Iraqis qualifying describing training & how Iraqis are doing. They make a real effort to learn... Im honored to be here...
00:12:57 [Unknown Staged Youth
Group Raids] Three young boys in
black w/ balaclava masks & holding various weapons including RPG launcher
in front of banner on white wall talking to camera. Six outside stop man on bicycle. Same outside of car w/ pistol to head.
00:13:56 Group / gan of boys
inside w/ finger raised; one w/ cell phones. Ext. boys running outside. Run from van; move thru brush & into mud compound w/
weapons. Instructions being given,
climb over mud brick wall, thru metal gate & into empty home. Staged attack w/ much yelling &
pistols to heads of occupants. Singing prayer.
250073-03 00:16:19 - 00:18:21 B/W SD 2007 04/10/2007 Iraq Middle East; [Iraq War -
2007: Operation Cold Harbor, Task
Force Marne, Night, 04Oct07]
Title card. While soldiers from
1-15 IN conducted an air assault raid on possible al-Qaeda in Iraq Safe House,
a UAV spots 4 armed individuals moving towards the objective...
00:16:34 View thru nightscope in
helicopter w/ voice over of soldier describing, firing machine gun &
explosions seen among palm trees. Repeated bursts.
Fighting; Night Vision;
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250073-04 00:18:21 - 00:21:55 COL SD 2007 28/08/2007 Iraq Middle East; [Iraq War -
2007: Operation Iraqi
Freedom: Conducing Route Clearing
Mission. 28Aug07]
Titles.
00:18:25 POV in column moving up
narrow highway thru barriers.
00:18:41 Soldier & translator
w/ Iraqis looking at paper beside large sandbagged & wire reinforced bunker
or checkpoint. View across desert
w/ vehicles moving in distance. Soldier walking & lookingover ridge. Soldier looking into caves. large army trucks across desert.
00:19:53 MS opening wooden crate
of explosives & removing can, putting into cave. CUs, wiring fuse; reloading case into truck & stringing
out wire. Large explosion. GOOD.
00:21:45 LS & MCU of crater.
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250073-05 00:21:55 - 00:22:46 COL SD 2007
(?) Iraq Middle East; [Iraq War - 2007 (?): Scimitar Vehicles On Operations]
Titles.
00:22:00 MLS Scimitar tanks
towards camera on desert road; passing in MLS MCUs
Patrolling;
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250073-06 00:22:46 - 00:31:46 COL SD 2004 Iraq Middle East; Samarra; [Iraq War - 2004: Operation Baton Rouge aka Battle of
Samarra. 30Sep-02Oct04]
Titles. 1-26th Infantry during
participation in Op Baton Rouge.
00:22:48 Night battle, POV from
truck or ??
00:23:13 Camera following soldier
w/ flashlight down steps into basement or ??.
00:23:52 Cutting ??. Ext. silhouetted soldiers in morning
light.
00:24:25 Black.
00:24:30 Tank passing outside iron
fence; troops patrolling in dim light along wall & buildings. Firing inside house or ?? Up staircase & onto roof. View of Golden Mosque. Setting up guns on rooftop wall.
00:27:06 View of graves in
cemetery from roof. Guns
firing. MCU rifleman. Views from roof during shooting.
00:28:34 Troops inside house,
prisoner against wall. Soldiers
looking at papers.
00:29:04 View of demolished house
(?). Soldier talking to woman
reporter & cameraman.
00:29:23 Military vehicles moving
in street w/ gunmen on turrets. Iraqi troops arriving in trucks, cover faces & prepare to move
out. March off.
00:30:51 LS of tanks on road. Large explosion & black cloud
rising behind buildings w/ ziggurat turret.
00:31:12 Three men w/ bicycle, one
waving white rag; others walking past Great Mosque w/ white flag on stick. MCU
Battle of Samarra; Civilians; Fighting;
250073-07 00:31:46 - 00:34:10 COL SD 2004 28/07/2004 Iraq Middle East; [Iraq War -
2004: 2-2 Infantry Train Iraqi
National Guard. 28Jul04]
Titles.
00:32:01 Staff Sgt Wray interview
talking about training ING. Video
of ING running thru trees & laying down behind ditch bank & Wray says
you must go pow pow. Wray lecturing to ING sitting in shade about need to
stay in place, etc.
Military Training;
250073-08 00:34:10 - 00:39:29 COL SD 2004 01/08/2004 Iraq Middle East;
Tal Afar; [Iraq War - 2004: Operation Sykes Hammer Broll, Nabbing
Bad Guys. 01Aug04]
Titles. Bravo Company, 5th
Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment. 3/2 SBCT. Joint Patrol in
response to anti-Iraqi forces from Syria. Multinational Forces & Iraqi National Guard detain individuals who
have tested positive for handling explosives &...
00:34:32 Soldiers kneeling behind
stone wall, others silhouetted on rooftop. Soldiers outside house breaking down metal door into house
yard. Come down from roof. Picture of Khomeini on wall. Soldier to translator: tell these National Guards not to fire
unless we tell them to fire. ING searching pickup & large trucks.
00:36:33 MCU ING soldier guarding
outside doorway; US soldier guarding, gesturing people across street.
00:37:00 Questioning Iraqi thru
translator. Others w/ hands
tied. Men questioned; standing
waiting, MCU rifle.
00:38:06 MS US soldier in doorway
waving goodbye to group of young boys who mimic. Teaching kids to give me five.
00:38:37 Opening hood of car &
closing. MCU tying hands behind
back of detainees & walking along street between columns of soldiers. Soldier on guard.
Patrolling; Searching; Capturing; Prisoners;
250073-10 00:48:46 - 00:55:50 COL SD 2002 04/03/2002 USA; Afghanistan; Pentagon; [2002 - Military Briefing: Secretary of Defense Rumseld & Gen
Richard Myers, 04Mar02] Pt. 1 of
14
00:48:55 Reporters seated, talking
& waiting.
00:51:06 Rumsfeld & Myers onto
stand.
00:51:15 Rumsfeld: Good morning; a few comments first on
the operation in Afghanistan over the weekend. General Franks will provide details from Tampa...
00:51:41 We need to all remind
ourselves that thousands of Americans & other nationals were killed on
September 11th. When we began the
attack in Afghanistan on October 7th, we made clear that our goals included
removing the Taliban government & ending Afghanistan as a haven for
terrorists, & we've made very good progress on both. But as I've said repeatedly, the task
is far from over. Not all Taliban
& al Qaeda forces have been defeated. Substantial pockets of resistance remain. They're determined. They're dangerous. They
will not give up without a fight. They are hiding in the villages & in the mountains & just across
the borders, in a number of directions from Afghanistan, & they're waiting
for their opportunities. We have
said that repeatedly. Their goal
is the opposite of ours. Their
goal is to reconstitute, to try to throw out the new interim government of
Afghanistan, to kill coalition forces & to try regain the ability to use
Afghanistan as a base for terrorist operations &, as a by-product, repress
the Afghan people. And we intend
to prevent them from doing that.
The pocket of al Qaeda at Shahi-Kot area, where this operation is taking place,
south of Gardez, appears to have several, a number of pockets of enemy forces,
in reasonably large numbers. They're obviously well organized. They're dug in, they're well armed, & they're fighting
fiercely. We knew they would
resist strongly, & anticipated a fierce fight. That was -- that is exactly what's taking place. Together w/ a number of coalition
countries that include Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Norway
& some others, U.S. & Afghan forces are heavily engaged.
00:53:49 I deeply regret that a
number of U.S. servicemen & several Afghan fighters assisting us have been
killed in action. At last count,
there were nine Americans. That
includes those that were involved in the helicopter crash. And there have been several Afghans as
well. There have been a number of
wounded U.S. & Afghans, although close to half of those are already back in
the battlel; & of the remainder, relatively few have life-threatening
wounds. All of the individuals who
were killed & wounded have been fully evacuated from the area & are en
route to appropriate locations to receive medical attention.
00:54:46 We also mourn the loss of
the U.S. Navy pilot who was killed after ejecting from his aircraft in the
Mediterranean Sea. His battlegroup
is en route to Northern Arabian Sea for service in Operation Enduring Freedom. We're deeply saddened by the loss of
all these brave men, & I extend my profound sympathies to their families.
00:55:12 The enemy forces have
sustained much larger numbers of killed & wounded; & there will be many
more. We intend to continue the
operations until those al Qaeda & Taliban who remain either surrender or
are killed. The choice is theirs. We have ground forces in position to check any large-scale effort to
escape & we will continue to add pressure until they have been taken care
of. As I said, General Franks will
have the current details on the operation at his briefing in the
afternoon. Continued...
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250073-11 00:55:50 - 00:59:10 COL SD 2002 04/03/2002 USA; Afghanistan; Pentagon; [2002 - Military Briefing: Secretary of Defense Rumseld & Gen
Richard Myers, 04Mar02] Pt. 2 of
14
Continued... I should also add
that the coalition forces are operating at somewhere between 8,000 & 11,000
feet, which is, it's cold, it's a difficult environment, & it is also a
difficult environment not just for the human beings involved, but for the
helicopters. They weren't really
designed to fly at those altitudes. But coalition forces are well trained, they're professional, and they're
doing an excellent job.
00:56:15 As intense as the
activity in Afghanistan is today - & this will not be the last such
operation in Afghanistan. It's
important to remember that we've been very clear that this is a global effort
against terrorism. As I have
noted, some activities will be seen and other activities will not be seen.
00:56:35 Activities elsewhere in
the world have received attention of late, & we are keeping the pressure on
al Qaeda & other terrorist groups. That's what we're doing in Yemen, the Philippines & elsewhere. A global war on terrorism must be just
that; it must be global to be effective. The terrorists do not have countries, normally; they have cells in many,
many countries, 30, 40, 50 countries. As we drive them from Afghanistan, we must not allow them safe haven
elsewhere.
00:57:10 We'll continue to train
& in some cases equip forces in selected countries that face terrorist
threats. It is part of the global
war on terrorism. We'll establish,
or in some cases reestablish military-to-military relationships w/ nations
committed to the war on terrorism as part of this global effort, & we will
w/ our coalition partners, intensify our efforts to identify & disrupt
terrorist networks, activities, wherever they exist in the world. This may include direct military
attacks, as it has in Afghanistan, military interception of terrorists
& their weapons, as w/ the
maritime interception effort, stepped-up intelligence gathering in specific
countries, as we are doing in several now, training & in some cases,
equipping, as in Yemen and the Philippines, and possibly at some future time in
Georgia.
00:58:10 There must be no safe
harbor for terrorists. It's a
threat that cannot be appeased. And it cannot be ignored. The power & reach of weapons today are too great & too lethal to
do otherwise.
00:58:24 In addition to military
force, coalition actions involve all of the broad instruments of national power
-- diplomacy, intelligence, law enforcement, financial tools designed to stop
the receipt or transfer of money to terrorists and their supporters.
00:58:3? I've said from the first
day that defense against terrorism requires that we go on offense & force
terrorists to think about their defense as we take the battle to them. That is the only successful defense
against terrorism. As President
Bush said last November, we are coming to know those who have plotted against
us. There is no corner of Earth
distant or dark enough to protect them. However long it takes, their hour of justice will come. General Myers? Continued...
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250073-12 00:59:10 - 01:02:40 COL SD 2002 04/03/2002 USA; Afghanistan; Pentagon; [2002 - Military Briefing: Secretary of Defense Rumseld & Gen
Richard Myers, 04Mar02] Pt. 3 of
14
Continued... Thank you, Mr.
Secretary. As the secretary said,
on Friday evening we started this campaign w/ Afghan, coalition & U.S.
forces against what we thought was a large pocket of al Qaeda and non-Afghan
Taliban fighters. To put it in
perspective -- I'll just piggyback on what the secretary said -- this is a very
difficult environment. This is
like being out in the middle of the Rockies, the Rocky Mountains in the middle
of winter. It's cold, ice and snow. We have a map there that shows you some of the terrain they're dealing
with. And, of course, the higher
you go, the air gets thinner for flight operations, so some of the helicopters
are right up against their operational capability. So it's some of the very toughest sort of conditions. (Map)
00:59:56 As I said, we believe
there are several hundred al Qaeda fighters holed up in the mountains, in the
valleys & the cave complexes. They're well dug in, well reinforced, & apparently have lots of
weapons.
01:00:09 When we began this
operation, we knew that the al Qaeda & their supporters there would have
two choices: to run or stay & fight. It seems they have chosen to stay & to fight to the last, & we
hope to accommodate them.
01:00:25 While we've hit
resistance, there should be no doubt about the outcome in this case. The only choices for al Qaeda are to
surrender or to be killed, & we're prepared to go on as long as that may
require. We're using both ground & air forces. And since the operation began on Friday night, we have
dropped more than 350 bombs, using about 10 long-range bombers, two to four
AC-130 gunships, & about 30 to 40 tactical aircraft each day.
01:00:53 And I would just like to
end by adding my condolences to those family members who lost loved ones in the
area of operations of the last few days.
01:01:05 Rumsfeld: Questions. Charlie? Mr.
Secretary, you said that -- I believe nine have been killed in the current
operations. We were told earlier
that six have died in the helicopter shoot down; that one had been killed early
on Saturday, & another was killed --
01:01:21 The latest count is nine.
01:01:24 But were there seven
killed in the helicopter shoot down? We were told six --
01:01:27 General Franks will give
details on that this afternoon.
01:01:30 Okay. Well, could you comment on, then,
reports from the area that Afghan forces are saying that perhaps U.S. Special
Forces were not fully prepared when the operation started & were forced to
retreat & regroup before they went back into the battle.
01:01:49 Myers: U.S. forces? Can I address that? During my trip to Afghanistan, now it's been almost two weeks ago
exactly, I was briefed on this plan at Bagram by the commander who's running
the operation in Afghanistan. And
at that time, they had great detail. So any thought that they went in there unprepared or didn't know the
terrain they were going into is just not true. It's like we said before. Look at the map. This is very difficult terrain to operate in. The enemy is a very determined enemy, willing to die for
their cause. Our brave men &
women are over there to see that we take them out & we keep them from
pursuing other acts of terrorism in the world. That's what they do. Continued...
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250073-13 01:02:40 - 01:05:33 COL SD 2002 04/03/2002 USA; Afghanistan; Pentagon; [2002 - Military Briefing: Secretary of Defense Rumseld & Gen
Richard Myers, 04Mar02] Pt. 4 of
14
Continued... Rumsfeld: Its conceivable that that story is -
I don't know this, but as they moved in, some Afghan forces were - took heavy
fire & a number of their trucks were destroyed & some of their people
were killed & wounded. And
because they didn't have transport sufficient, they did go back, regroup, get
additional equipment & then have moved forward subsequently, and it may be
that that --
Myers: And there were U.S.
Special Forces with them, so maybe that's how it got --
Rumsfeld: But that was a direct
result of enemy fire.
Q: Mr. Secretary?
Rumsfeld: Yes, Bob?
01:03:13 Does this appear to be
al Qaeda's last stand in Afghanistan, or are there similarly large &
similarly well-organized groups elsewhere in the country?
01:03:23 Rumsfeld: I would doubt it. I think that it would be an incorrect
reading of the situation to think that this would be the last stand. I say that because, as we've said
repeatedly - & I hope it sinks in to everybody - that it is - in that
country, it's, what, bigger than Texas, and with borders to four, five, six
countries. It is very easy to move
across borders & then come back in. It's very easy to slip into the mountains, into tunnels & caves
& stay there for periods. It's
very easy to blend into the countryside, into the villages & then come back
& reconstitute. So the thought
that all of the people, all of the Taliban who oppose the interim government
that now exists, that Karzai is leading, all of the al Qaeda are gone &
disappeared or changed their minds or gone benign, I think, is just
unrealistic. I think we have to
expect that there are other sizable pockets, that there will be other battles
of this type.
01:04:21 Q: To follow up on Bob's
question, do you know an estimate on how many al Qaeda may be in the country as
a whole? Several hundred, you're saying, non-Afghan al Qaeda south of Gardez,
but --
01:04:32 Rumsfeld: It's not knowable, because in the
country could be just across the border & in the country tonight & not
tomorrow, or vice-versa. In the
country could be someone who changes their mind. The stronger the interim government gets, the more effective
the security situation in the country gets, the less likely that there will be
substantial operations like this. But that's some distance off.
01:04:54 Q: Has there been any
intelligence that indicates al Qaeda is operating or planning things in Iraq,
Kandahar, Khost, other specific places?
01:05:01 Rumsfeld: We don't get into intelligence
gathering. Yes?
Q: Sir, what do you think the al
Qaeda strategy is at this point in time? Is it to seek refuges in inhospitable regions, lie low, & try to
escape detection by the United States? Or do they have a more active, offensive strategy to work against the
Karzai government and the American forces there? For General Myers --
01:05:24 Rumsfeld: I think both. I think it's
opportunistic. I think to the extent they feel they can do the latter, they'll
do that, and to the extent they can't, they'll wait for the time being. Continued...
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250073-14 01:05:33 - 01:08:30 COL SD 2002 04/03/2002 USA; Afghanistan; Pentagon; [2002 - Military Briefing: Secretary of Defense Rumseld & Gen
Richard Myers, 04Mar02] Pt. 5 of
14
Continued...
Myers: Well, I would just add on
-- I mean, the secretary's absolutely right; I think it's both of those. And we have indications that the folks
that are under attack now were planning to do exactly --
Q: Planning to --
01:05:47 Rumsfeld: We also know that the leadership of al
Qaeda stated from the outset that their intention was to kill enough Americans
so that we would flee & leave the country over to them, & that they had
a series of terrorist attacks planned to create an environment that was
sufficiently inhospitable that we would leave the country. And we found information to that
effect. It's been said on
videotapes. And so we know what
their strategy was, & we don't intend to let them succeed with it. Yes?
Q: General Myers, just to complete a thought -- (inaudible) --
Myers: The secretary essentially
did. I mean, he's -- that's --
we're -- we have a mind meld in this regard. (Laughter.)
Q: I would hate to get in the middle of a "mind meld."
(Laughter.) Rumsfeld: (Laughs.)
Myers: I hope it's not illegal.
01:06:38 Q: Can you both talk about the role that
American forces are playing here in terms of being at the cutting edge of this
assault, as opposed to the earlier example in Tora Bora, where the Afghans were
more forward & were allowed to do more of the direct combat? There appears to be a lesson learned
from there, w/ the size of the force & the way it is constituted.
01:07:03 Rumsfeld: Tora Bora was a very different
situation, a different part of the country, a different terrain, somewhat,
different time in the conflict. We
learn every day. But the Afghans
are very much involved in this effort today - this operation. And they're doing a good job, as are
the coalition forces & the U.S. forces.
01:07:26 Q: What is your feeling, Mr.
Secretary. Q: But if I may follow
up, was there an over reliance on local Afghan fighters in the Tora Bora campaign,
especially when it came to cutting off escape routes? And have you learned something from that?
Rumsfeld: Well, as I say, one
hopes that one learns every day that life -- life is a learning experience for
all of us. I don't know that
there's been a lessons-learned effort on the Tora Bora activities,
specifically, so I really can't say. But it was a different circumstance at a different time, and we're
on. Yes?
01:08:02 Q: General Myers, can you help us
understand - if the military knew the threat & knew how entrenched these
people were & knew how well-armed they were, why did you send in U.S.
ground forces so quickly? Why not
more days of airstrikes, soften it all up, get rid of more of it before you
sent in ground troops?
01:08:20 Myers: Well, this is a -- that's the kind of
tactical-level decision that's made by General Franks & his subordinate
commanders. And --
Q: But certainly you'd be aware
of the answer. Continued...
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Richard Myers, 04Mar02] Pt. 6 of
14 Continued... Myers: I might be, but I don't think I'm the
right one to tell people that. That's - the last thing you want me to do is to second-guess General
Franks & his folks, and I won't do that. In this case, I think it's totally inappropriate. I think the plan they have - like I
said, we were briefed on this - I was briefed on it over -- about two weeks
ago. It was a sound plan. It combined ground operations w/ air
operations - I think appropriately so. And --
Q: Can you help us better understand
what role U.S. ground troops have been fulfilling in this campaign since
Friday?
Myers: Sure. They're trying to root out the al Qaeda
& the other fighters in this.
Q: Certainly. But what exactly -- are they going cave
to cave? Are they doing --?
Myers: They are --
Q: -- very short-range fighting, longer-range fighting? What exactly are they doing?
01:09:15 Myers: Well, I think we'll leave that -
General Franks is on at 3:00, & he'll talk a little bit more about the
tactical situation. And I
personally feel more comfortable if he would do it. He's the one responsible for executing the operations.
Q: General Myers, you said early
on that the al Qaeda fighters had basically two choices: to stay & fight or to run. If they chose to run, are you confident
there are enough U.S. forces on the ground to cut off their escape routes? And was that part of the original plan
that was briefed to you in Bagram -- to ensure that there were enough forces on
the ground?
Myers: Yes. And it's not just U.S. forces. It's - Afghan forces play a large role
in that, as well - not only on the assault itself, but to contain them - and
coalition forces were a big part of that, as well.
01:09:54 Q: General, you talked about U.S. &
allied forces hit some resistance. Can you expand on that a little bit? There were stories over the weekend that there was a retreat
by U.S. & allied forces -- a withdrawal -- and also that the attacks
stalled. Can you sort of --
01:10:09 Myers: I think that the secretary covered
that pretty well when he talked about one of the Afghan pushes where they lost
most of their transportation, so they had to regroup, get refitted & went
right back in.
Q: So the only time that was, you
would say, a stall was --
Myers: Well again, it's a
tactical situation that's evolving & we're not going to know all of that
detail. Only the folks that are on
the ground will know. But that's
the only time that I've heard anything with --
Rumsfeld: The fact -- the fact
that people are not moving may not mean that things have stalled. You may be using airpower to deal w/
concentrations of al Qaeda while ground forces maintain position. So I think that the word
"stall" is a little like "quagmire," & it may be
premature. (Laughter.) Continued...
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Richard Myers, 04Mar02] Pt. 7 of
14
Continued... Q: One last thing. Is there any U.S. artillery up
there? And if not, why not?
Myers: I think the artillery is
coming from the attack helicopters, from AC-130 gunships & from the bombers
& fighters overhead.
Q: There's no ground-based
artillery, to your knowledge?
Myers: Not to my knowledge.
Q: Secretary Rumsfeld, is there
any indication that Osama bin Laden is in w/ this concentration of people on
the ground?
01:11:20 Rumsfeld: I have no current information that
he's anywhere.
Q: To follow up -- Mr. Secretary,
to follow up on that --
Rumsfeld: Why don't we get
a few more hands here. Go. Go ahead.
Q: In the past, the United States
has kind of judged the seniority of the leadership based on the fierceness of
the fighting. Is there any
indication - not necessarily bin Laden, but that high- ranking Taliban & al
Qaeda people are in charge of their forces in this particular battle?
Rumsfeld: I don't know what you
mean by "high level," but there's no question that these people
didn't just happen to all meet there. There's large numbers of them. They're very well armed, they're very well equipped, they're not milling
around, they're engaged in a very fierce battle, so there's clearly leadership
involved.
01:12:06 Q: Mr. Secretary, may I follow up on
Bob's earlier question, you say that this is not - it would be wrong to say
this would be the last operation in Afghanistan. Could you just explain to the American people, do you
anticipate other similar operations in other areas that would also involve
large numbers of ground troops just in general?
Rumsfeld: You can be certain that
as we find additional al Qaeda & Taliban forces on the ground, large or
small pockets, that we will go after them.
Q: There will be large numbers of
U.S. ground troops?
Rumsfeld: Whatever it takes.
Q: Your spokeswoman said this
morning --
Rumsfeld: Could we maybe get a --
Q: - that more than a thousand
U.S. troops were involved.
Rumsfeld: Could we --
Q: Are you calling in
reinforcements? There are reports
that you're calling in reinforcements.
Rumsfeld: Why don't we try to get
a few more hands from people who have not asked questions yet, just in
fairness.
Q: How about right here?
(Laughter.)
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Continued... Rumsfeld: But in answer to your question,
obviously, the longer things go on, the more you might replace some of the
forces that are currently engaged & give them a rest. But to the extent additional
capabilities are needed, you can be sure additional capabilities will be
provided. But we're not going to
get into speculating about what or might not be done in the day one, two,
three, four, five days ahead, other than I am sure it will be a well-run &
successful operation that will have an ending other than a stalling.
(Laughter.)
Q: Mr. Secretary?
Rumsfeld: Yes?
Q: This area of Paktia Province
has long been considered an al Qaeda stronghold.
Rumsfeld: True.
Q: Several weeks ago, U.S. forces
seemed surprised when they found large caches of weapons & residual al
Qaeda at Zhawar Kili. And now five months into the war --
Rumsfeld: I don't think they were
surprised.
Q: Well, there seemed to --
Rumsfeld: We know there are
caches of weapons all over that country. We've said it. It's one of the most
heavily armed nations on the face of the Earth.
01:13:58 Q: And it took five months into the war
to go after these al Qaeda here in -- around Gardez w/ ground troops. Was there just a lack of intelligence,
insufficient forces to go after these people? Why, five months into the war, is the U.S. military now
confronting this large contingent of al Qaeda, when that area has long been
considered al Qaeda?
Rumsfeld: Well, I suppose - Dick,
I suppose that's a good question for Tom, but it's a tactical question. What he deals w/ is the entire country,
& he goes about it in a way that is rational from the standpoint of a
combatant commander. And you don't
go everywhere at once. You tend to
work in places where you have the most support, the most information. And that, obviously, was the case. You tend to go in places where you can
use the capabilities that you've managed to arrange & array. And that's generally been the
case. I don't find it unusual at
all.
01:14:57 Myers: I would only add that there's a pretty
good likelihood that these al Qaeda fighters & the others in there were
fighting w/ the Taliban forces early on in this conflict, up north, other
places in the country, the Kandahar region, and as the Taliban were driven out
of power and destroyed, that they started to get together in a place where they
could have enough mass to be effective. And we've been following that, allowing it to develop until we thought
it was the proper time to strike. So I think that's probably --
Rumsfeld: Way in the back.
Q: A follow-up?
Rumsfeld: Way in the back.
Q: To what extent are German
soldiers involved in combat action?
Rumsfeld: I'm going to have
German & every other country characterize their roles themselves. There are some sensitivities, & I
would prefer to let coalition forces characterize what they're doing.
Q: Well, was it the first time
they joined U.S. forces in combat?
Rumsfeld: He must not have heard
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Continued... Q: Do you have any indications the
helicopter was brought down by a Stinger missile, the U.S. helicopter that went
down? Do you have any indications
whether it was a Stinger?
Rumsfeld: We have no indication
that it was a man-portable- surface-to-air-missile at all. We have an indication that one of them
was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade.
Myers: That's correct.
Rumsfeld: And I have not - I
don't recall being told on the other, except that it may have been a hard
landing.
Myers: I think it was machine gun
fire or small AAA-type fire is what the first reports were. But first reports, again, can be
inaccurate.
01:16:32 Rumsfeld: That's important to remember, that
what we're dealing w/ here is an ongoing operation, & the facts change
every two or three hours - the reports change; the facts stay the same!
(Laughter.) But the facts are only
revealed over time. And so one
ought not to be surprised that they see a number one time & then the number
is somewhat different later, & we all ought to expect that & have a
certain degree of tolerance for it.
Q: Could the general go into an
explanation of what happened w/ the helicopter, how many people were injured,
whether there was a firefight on the ground? Whatever you know.
Myers: I'm going to leave that
for General Franks at 3:00. He can
get into that as much as he wants to.
01:17:16 Q: General, this is the first use of this
thermal barrack bomb we learned about in December, this kind of a silver-bullet
kind of weapon. Was this aimed at
a large concentration of potential al Qaeda leaders in a cave where you wanted
to incinerate them all in one fell swoop?
Myers: It was aimed at a cave
complex that we thought was tactically significant. Now -- but I have no indications they thought - it was just
- we knew it was an active cave; that's all we know.
Q: Active meaning --?
Myers: People.
Rumsfeld: And it tends to be more
pressure - a pressure effect, as opposed to an incineration.
Myers: Right. Yes --
Q: Explain that in layman's
language. Pressure meaning --
Rumsfeld: Blast over pressure.
Myers: Blast over pressure.
Q: And you think it was active in
terms of people or gunfire?
Myers: People. Correct. Right. You
know, the reconnaissance said this was an active cave; we'd like to take it
out.
01:17:58 Q: A strategy question for either of
you. You said you've been observing
them coalescing for some time in this place. Was it an active strategy to let them coalesce & strike
them as a large body, rather than to strike them in small pieces? Because a lot of us have questioned you
know, if you're seeing these people, why aren't you doing something
before? Was it an active strategy
to do nothing, let them gather?
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Continued... Rumsfeld: I would ask
General Franks that this afternoon. But, I mean, the reality is, as you see small pockets of activity &
you're in an area that has been reasonably hospitable to both the Taliban &
the al Qaeda, you then begin to plan an operation. And you have a choice; you can go after & pick off one
person individually & ask him, would he please surrender, or you can plan a
major operation knowing that it's an area that has been hospitable to those
folks, & then do what we're doing. It seems to me that the latter is preferable.
Q: Mr. Secretary, can I take to
you another part of the world, for a change?
Rumsfeld: You bet.
Q: It's been six months since you
had a CINC in SouthCom, & there are some reports that some of the Latin
American countries are beginning to feel that they're being left out during the
war on terrorism & that they're afraid that you're going to downgrade that
position. Do you intend to
nominate - or recommend a new CINC for SouthCom, & will it be a four-star?
Rumsfeld: The answer is yes.
Q: It will be a four-star?
Rumsfeld: The answer is yes.
Q: Too?
Rumsfeld: Yes. (Laughter.)
Q: Is it tied in with the
NorthCom commander?
01:19:23 Rumsfeld: We've got a lot of pieces on the board
that we're moving, & we have a number that are coming up during this year. We have one that's vacant. We have a number that are coming up this
year. We have a number that are
coming up early next year. And
this being a year when the Congress may very well not be in session late this
year, it means we have to look at some six or eight or more key spots. And we're looking at them together,
& that has - the reason for the delay on SouthCom, & we intend to
rectify that soon. Eric?
Q: Mr. Secretary or General
Myers, can you indicate whether you believe that this regrouping took place?
Are they regrouping at a place that was predesignated, say, prior to October
7th? Or does this indicate to you
that there is some kind of ability among the al Qaeda & remaining Taliban
fighters to communicate among themselves & find their way back to this
concentration?
Myers: Oh, I think there's no
doubt that the al Qaeda still has the - & the Taliban that are left still
have the ability to communicate among themselves, certainly. And this has been an area -- as
somebody mentioned earlier, this is an area where they've gotten support from
the locals, local population, for some time. And so it's not surprising the area they picked. The fact that they would be
concentrated in a relatively small portion of that area was what was
interesting, I think.
Q: How threatening is that
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Continued... Myers: Well, I think it's like we've said
before. The al Qaeda organization
is - still has capabilities. And
all the work that's going on, not just the military work, but the law
enforcement work, the arrest(s), disrupting their financial streams & so
forth - all a piece of this, & it goes - it's going on around the world. And a lot of that we don't see, we
don't talk about, but it's just as important as this military operation.
Q: Mr. Secretary, you alluded to
this in an earlier question about ever-changing information in an ongoing
operation like this, for example. But what do you say to the argument that the American public
has been denied an objective or unfiltered account of the war on terrorism
because of Pentagon policies that tend to restrict reporter access to U.S.
soldiers & their battles, as they're ongoing?
01:21:42 Rumsfeld: Well, I don't
hear that from the American people, I hear it from very small numbers of people
in the press. And there are people
embedded in this activity, as I understand it. So I think it is not a fact. That is to say there are press people who are embedded in
the activities that are taking place. This is one of the few situations where Special Forces are actually
engaged in an activity where press people have been embedded with them.
Q: But are they allowed --
Rumsfeld: Just a minute, just
minute. Let me finish my
thought. And there have been press
people embedded w/ other Special Force units but not particularly when they
were actively engaged in a moving activity. Second, there have been press people embedded in ships &
other activities. The - it seems
to me that if - if I were trying to assess this in an objective, unbiased,
"Rumsfeldian" way - (laughter) - I would step back & look at it
& say, "Not bad." This is a most unusual conflict. It is not a set of battle lines, where Bill Malden & Ernie Pyle
(sic) can be w/ troops for week after week after week as they move across
Europe or even across islands in the Pacific. This is a notably different activity. It's terribly untidy. We have bent over backwards to see that
every opportunity that we could imagine that press people could be connected to
that they were connected to. And
they have been. And I think there
are a notable number of firsts in this case, from the standpoint of the
press. Second, anyone who wants to
in the press can get into Afghanistan & go anywhere they want. It's a free country. It's dangerous, & people are being
killed, but it's a free country. Now we have done a lot to see that they're involved. Therefore, your question kind of
surprises me, given the current situation. Maybe you weren't aware that they are embedded in this
operation.
01:23:57 Q: I was not. I was also thinking of the
historical perspective of other wars, going back to both --
Rumsfeld: Right. Right.
Q: World War II and on up - and
there was a lot of --
Rumsfeld: Yeah.
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Continued... Rumsfeld: Well, there's been contention in every
war. There's always been that
series of questions that get raised, & that's fair. How are you going to handle it? And the answer is, if you know - if you
said, "Are we going to fight World War II again," I'd tell you
exactly how we'd handle it. And --
there's a model for that. There is
no model for this. So we've been
reaching around, trying to find ways that people can report on things that are
happening that are terribly important for the American people to know. I mean,
the young men & young women that are engaged in this effort - not just from
our country, but coalition countries - are doing a first-rate job. And they're having a lot of
success. This has been a very
successful operation. And they
deserve to be noted - and not just if they're killed or wounded. They deserve to be noted if they're not
killed or wounded, because they're doing --
01:24:56 Q: Mr. Secretary, are those reporters who
are embedded currently allowed to actually report?
Rumsfeld: I would have to get
briefed on precisely what their instructions & guidance was. But I believe I am correct when I say
what I said: that there are
Special Forces units - Americans embedded in Afghan forces. There are Special
Forces units not embedded in Afghan activities. There are American soldiers, infantrymen, engaged in
this. And there are coalition
forces engaged in this. And in one
or more of those activities, there are press people who have been w/ them since
the outset, I think even during the pre-conflict portion, when we had people
for days located all around, doing reconnaissance & watching. And I think that Torie undoubtedly was
involved, & Craig Quigley, in what their instructions were, & I'm sure
she or he would be happy to answer that question.
01:26:04 Q: That's an important point. If they're
there, the question of whether they're allowed to report would make a big
difference --
Q: What time frame.
Rumsfeld: Of course,
obviously. And I'm sure someone
won't like it. Whatever they may
be, the guidance, I'm sure there will be somebody who won't like it. But the fact remains they're in there
& they will be allowed to report. In what time frame & w/ what protection for the people's names or
faces who are engaged in this, who are in units where their names & faces
don't get reported - I can assure you of this: anyone who's in there accepted the ground rules when they
went in, & they decided of their own free will that they would rather do
that than not, which seems to me to be not bad, pretty fair.
Q: Mr. Secretary?
Rumsfeld: Why don't we take two
questions.
Q: Great.
Rumsfeld: That's one, and there's
one.
Q: Both of you mentioned early on
that the helicopters in the mission are being pushed to the limits of their
capabilities, operating at 8,000 to 11,000 feet. Can you elaborate on that a little bit? And also does that make them more
vulnerable to the types of RPG attacks & small-arms attacks that they came
under?
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Continued... Q: What was it about - how were they
being pushed to their capability w that altitude, that ordnance -- (off mike)?
Myers: Well, they just - it's the
load you can carry at what altitude, so they have to - they can't - maybe they
couldn't carry as big a load as they wanted or as much fuel as they wanted,
& that would restrict them somewhat. And just as you operate higher w/ helicopters, the control effectiveness
starts to diminish a little bit. So they're just against their operating envelope.
Q: What I'm saying is, does that
make them more vulnerable, then, to the attacks that they came under?
Myers: I think the secretary's
point, once they're low to the ground in enemy - where there's enemy, that
they're vulnerable by virtue of that. I don't know if there's any direct correlation w/ - w/ that. There may be.
Q: The RPG hit the one that went
down with seven casualties - or six casualties, or the --
Myers: No. No, that was machine
gun fire or some kind of fire that took -- we think. Now again, the first reports.
Q: So the RPG hit the second one
that had the hard landing?
Rumsfeld: No. Myers: No. Rumsfeld: Hit the first
one. Myers: Hit the first
one. Bounced off. They recovered.
Rumsfeld: Apparently did not
explode. It was the first report;
that the RPG hit it, but may not have exploded. And a person may have been
knocked out.
Myers: What's important to note
--
Q: Knocked out of the helicopter?
Myers: What's important to note
-- we've been talking a lot about helicopters, & you can ask General Franks
at 3:00. But as I count them up,
we've had one that's been disabled, the one on the ground. It's not - it's intact, & whether
they can repair it or not, I have no idea. The rest of them have all been flyable, & some have been
repaired & put back into the action.
Rumsfeld: And the one that hit -
was hit by an RPG was flyable & was moved out.
Q: But the one w/ the casualties
were mostly machine-gun --
Rumsfeld: There were casualties
in both cases.
Q: But the multiple casualties,
the multiple deaths --
Rumsfeld: Why don't you save it
for Tom Franks? (Laughter.) Why
don't you just trust us? Three
o'clock this afternoon he'll be on, right?
Myers: He'll have an update.
Rumsfeld: Bright-eyed &
bushy-tailed & ready to go. And here's a second question.
Q: I just wanted you to comment
on reports that the al Qaeda & Taliban fighters have family members w/
them.
Rumsfeld: "The reports."
Who reported this? Q: There are villagers in that region who
had - in places that had previously hosted these people, are reporting that
they did retreat up into this mountain stronghold w/ family members. Could you comment on that?
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Continued... Rumsfeld: We have assumed that where you find
large numbers of al Qaeda & Taliban, that there may very well be
non-combatants w/ them who are family members or supporters of some kind, who
are there of their own free will, knowing who they're with and who they're
supporting and who they're encouraging and who they're assisting.
Q: Can I ask a point of
clarification for the general? Earlier you said there were non-Afghan Taliban in this fighting
force. Are these Uzbeks or who are
these people?
Myers: Again, ask Tommy
Franks. We think there are --
Rumsfeld: You mean the enemy or
our side?
Q: Enemy, yeah. I think you said there were non-Afghan
Taliban.
Myers: Well, we think there are
some IMU embedded in there. But
that - I'm just going to leave it at that. Ask Tommy.
Q: And, Mr. Secretary, you said
earlier that we're now training & equipment troops in the Philippines &
Yemen. Did you mean to say that
that training & equipment of Yemeni forces has already begun?
Q: Okay.
Rumsfeld: We have indicated to
the Yemeni government that we would assist w/ intelligence gathering & some
training. And actually, when it
starts, I'm not sure. But we have
not gotten quite to that point w/ Georgia, despite all the stories. There was an assessment team in
Georgia. It has made a report
back. General Myers is awaiting that report & then will come to me w/ it
& we'll have a discussion about it within the government & make a judgment
as to what we might be - end up doing. But Georgia, of course, is a country in the Partnership for Peace, a
NATO country that we have provided some modest assistance to already as I
recall, helicopters.
Myers: Yes, sir.
Rumsfeld: And I think there is
one American there now who is assisting w/ helicopter - helicopter parts, or
something, a military person. But
that also has not started. The
Philippine assistance has obviously started.
Thank you very much.
Q: Thank you.
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